Overcoming Fear to Find Your Voice Online As an Industry Trailblazer with Fascia Educator Alexa Nehter

I’m so excited to introduce you to my incredible client, trailblazing bodyworker, fascia educator, and movement innovator Alexa Nehter in this interview on the Creative Magic Club podcast where we explore what it really takes to create your own methodology, your own platform, and your own rhythm — especially when it means stepping outside of established industries and identities.

Alexa shares her journey from travelling yoga teacher and esteemed educator to fascia-first movement specialist, founder of Helix Movement, and mother — and how motherhood initiated a profound shift in how she approaches entrepreneurship, visibility, travel, and success.

We unpack the behind-the-scenes reality of reinvention, navigating fear of judgment, resistance from mentors, identity loss during transitions, and the courage required to take a public stand for work you deeply believe in.

Tune in to discover:

• Alexa’s path from movement science and yoga into fascia manual therapy and mentoring other practitioners
• Becoming an educator at highly respected schools— and then choosing to step away from institutions to blaze her own trail
• Motherhood as an initiation into slower, more intentional business growth
• Choosing your own timeline, rhythm, and definition of success
• Creating a movement style beyond yoga or traditional fascia work
• Falling in love with messaging, marketing, and finding her voice
• The fear of being an outcast when you create your own method
• Pushback from mentors — and the miracles that happened over time
• Navigating identity loss during professional reinvention
• The role of astrology in finding belonging, and trusting your creative nature
• What actually happened when she took a stand for her unique method
• The power of consistent support when launching big visions
• The real, unglamorous but necessary inner work behind sustainable success

This one is for all the trailblazers who navigate voices of doubt on a daily basis. Alexa’s story will inspire you to trust your passion, commit to it with dedication and give you some tangible answers around what you genuinely need to succeed at building your own movement.

• Website: https://helixmovement.com
• Instagram: @alexanehter | @h

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Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome And Show Setup
• 4:06 Meet Alexa And Her Fascia Focus
• 5:39 From Teacher To Yoga To Fascia
• 11:21 Building A Brand And Voice
• 16:47 Academia Vs Entrepreneurship
• 25:35 Fear, Belonging, And Trailblazing
• 32:17 Astrology As A Business Lens

Transcript

Sarah Mac: 1:44

This is that and welcome to creative logic. Together we'll discover inspirational stories of creative entrepreneurs living out their dreams, doing the wealth they are most, and building wealth in logical fun ways. Building safety and right, opening up the women's loss that dreams connected with so many incredible people and seen it proven again and again that you can try financially doing whatever it is you are passionate about. I'm here to share life-changing strategies, mindset, making money, and reaching more people with your work in a business and life filled with creativity, freedom, and fun. Hi everyone, welcome back to the Creative Magic Club podcast. I'm so excited to introduce my special guest today. I have with us Alexa Nehter, and she is a Fasha First Movement Education and Bodyworker and the founder of Helix Movement, which is a movement style and also a learning platform. She also mentors other movement and manual practitioners to incorporate fascia into their work, offers, and brands. And Alexa is also a previous client of mine. So I know about her and her work intimately. She's a genius, she's amazing. And it's been such a privilege to witness her entrepreneurial journey and really like trailblazing in her industry. So I'm so excited to introduce you to her story. I know you're going to find so much inspiration. Whether you're a bodyworker or you're fascia curious or you just want to learn from another trailblazing entrepreneur. So hi Alexa, thank you so much for joining us.

Alexa Nehter: 3:22

Hello, thank you for having me. This is very exciting. I feel like you're weaving me more and more into this world is so beautiful. And I felt that feel still already very helped. It's wonderful.

Sarah Mac: 3:33

You know, my clients, friends for life. That's beautiful. Yeah, it's really nice. So um, once you're in my world, you're in my world. And yeah, you know, especially like when we I get to know your work so intimately, it's like I think about my clients all the time, like past clients. I'm like, oh, I wonder what like what they're up to and how things are going. And I love, yeah, obviously, it's amazing that all of them have online brands. So I get to check in and be like, get an update on where everybody is. So um, before we dive in, can you tell us like how did you come to doing the work that you do today?

Alexa Nehter: 4:08

So I um I work with fascia, with the connective tissue, not with the fascia is also, I think you use for roofing. That's not what I work with. So I work with your myofascial or with your fascial matrix, with your connective tissue matrix and scaffolding in the body, looking at movement and bod from a different lens. So instead of, for example, in training, I um don't think of strengthening and stretching. I add way more lenses to it. And I got to this by being a mover uh from my childhood onwards, riding horses, then studying physical education and biology to become a high school teacher and ending up in Australia as a high school teacher. And I started yoga teaching in the small community I lived in in the north of Western Australia, where there was no yoga teacher. And that got me into the rabbit hole of a not a rabbit hole. I'd start embodying what I really was passionate about. And it was definitely not high school teaching, even though I loved the students, and um, but the yoga teaching was way more life-absorbent uh for me. It just felt right, and I had my science-y lens on it, so I wanted to know more about the why behind movements and why does yoga feel or you feel end up feeling like yourself and becoming more yourself in the practice and being able to regulate your or balance your nervous system. And that led me into fascia work because fascia is the I feel the bridge, the connection between your body and your soul. It's the communicator between your muscles, your bones, your tissues, and your thinking and feeling and sensing. So yeah, and that got me into teaching yoga, traveling the world, um, teaching for festivals like Wonderlust, hosting my own yoga retreats. So there was always like a little um idealistic, entrepreneurial uh soul within me, growing from something I really loved. And I created my own yoga, fascia-based yoga teacher trainings, and that um wanted me to learn more and deeper about fascia, and I trained then as a fascial bodyworker with a school called Anatomy Trains. And they hadhunted me as their educator, wanting me to teach practitioners uh using fascial menu therapy for them and uh aligned movement school the same. So I became an educator for them, and uh yeah, and that gave me another lens of how you teach fascia to practitioners. So, not um, yeah, that's that's pretty much it. So, yeah, that's how I got here, and then teaching now my and then I became a mother, and I had to stop teaching for these schools and wanted to stop teaching for these schools, having more time for myself. And this is also where I found you and your um message of um being choosing your own timeline, so to say, and being okay with not being everywhere and finding your own rhythm. And that spoke to me very loudly of having now a a baby and uh not wanting to travel anymore for um for teaching gigs. And that uh got me into building then my newer platform, Helix Movement, and creating my own movement uh style, bringing more than um just yoga together. So all the things I learned within the last years about bod and um physiotherapy and rehabilitative movement. So that's got me where I am now.

Sarah Mac: 7:53

It's so cool, you know, listening when you meet an entrepreneur and you see where that where they are, and then you hear about the history and all of the different chapters that really contributed to your unique blend of skill sets that, you know, have has led you to do the work that you do today. And I know, you know, so many people who listen to this podcast resonate with like being so multi-talented and having so many different skills and knowledge and chapters and how it can feel sometimes like when we're moving into that next iteration, it can feel like we're just like leaving everything in the past behind us, and so often we don't see how those threads really do continue throughout our story, and they become such um, you know, really like foundational pillars of our brand story that give people so much information about us. So I'm really curious to know from you when did you start to build an online brand? Was that when you were uh like in you became a yoga teacher and you started teaching yoga and then you developed your own method? Is that where you really started building your online presence?

Alexa Nehter: 9:01

Yes, I did. And this is when I also fell in love with um marketing and um yeah, just fell in love with messaging and marketing and um creating a voice, and that has been a lifelong theme for myself. I am a twin. Uh so having my own voice and my own identity was always something I think I fought for and I wanted to express and always struggled with or had in my mind I'm struggling with this, but I didn't really. It's just something I got really passionate about. And it and I saw there were the times I was more into learning about marketing and messaging than about yoga at that time, because I thought, wow, you can say who you are, you're allowed to say, I am this, I do this. I didn't know. And coming from Germany, where the tall poppy syndrome, as we say here in Australia, you're not standing out, you rather keep yourself humble and show your certificates you have and your curriculum that is unbroken. Um, so uh it was it was freeing, very liberating to find that. But it comes with its own hurdles and learning. And I think this is where personal development and having your own business comes together so so beautifully. And when you just said that you in the moments where you give up one identity of yourself or professional identity, maybe, and move on to the next. This struggling move moment where you in this, how's it called, when you were like a caterpillar in this GUI in the cocoon. Yeah, in the cocoon, and you're like, oh, who am I? And I remember that. And I now remember also how comforted I felt when I was in your mastermind, how you could actually always zoom out and tell me where I am and how it fits in into my journey. And it was all it was something I knew, but I couldn't put in words or I didn't have a concept about. And you uh helped me with that so much that I even now feel I'm journeying through new iterations and I feel still feel comforted by this, by you giving this structure and the idea around this is part of your marketing, this is part of your branding, this is part of your your business growth.

Sarah Mac: 11:23

Yeah, and like everybody needs help with this, you know. Like it's just it's really hard to see ourselves. Like, no matter how long, like, you know, I've been an entrepreneur for 10 years now, I'm sure you're you know, you're similar if not longer. And it's like, yeah, we get better at it and we build these skill sets and we build, you know, these like messaging pillars and content structures and frameworks and like copywriting skills. But the the like being able to see ourselves, like we just always that always happens through relationship, you know, whether that's through like knowing how to observe yourself through your client relationships or you know, ex like experience yourself through your own brand and through really like self-reflecting or through work with mentors and peers. Like it's just yeah, we're always so like either hyper focused on the big vision or like hyper focused on what's right in front of us and the problem that we're solving in our business or for our clients. And um, yeah, we always need that support to just like see our big picture and and what can feel like a huge pivot or like a lack of clarity for us can often be made so clear just through a reflection from a conversation with someone else. And I know you've had you've really felt that tension between entrepreneurship and academia, you know, especially with like you know, you've come up through all of these different worlds and obviously more recently working within universities. And that's obviously the schools.

Alexa Nehter: 14:45

They were not universal schools. Oh, they weren't universities, okay. No, no, they're just um training schools, training and still with that very like academic mindset, right?

Sarah Mac: 14:53

Like your like academic rigor and those like frameworks of like hierarchy of information, of skill sets, of like certifications, and entrepreneurship is obviously a completely different. It's like the wild, wild west, right? And I know that like that's something that came up for you a lot in really stepping into owning your own unique way of doing things. And there was this little voice in your head that was like fear of judgment, and we all have it in you know, we all project that on someone in our life, whether it's that person we were in high school with or a parent or someone in our in our audience. But and I know a lot of people, you know, who have come from an academic background, there's like a rewiring that has to happen to really give yourself permission to like validate your own story and your own way that you want to do things and really stake a claim for your method and your like intellectual property. So I would just love to hear you talk a little bit about like what that experience has been like for you.

Alexa Nehter: 15:56

Yeah, it's I I'm as exactly exactly as you ex expressed it, is it started when I taught yoga first and we leaved in more fascia, um fascia work. And I have a yoga mentor. She's my yoga mom, she's over 80 now, and I she's truly, truly, she's been a beacon of light in the Ayenga tradition here in Australia, one of the main founders and bringing this into Australia. She's from the originally from the US, and facing that, but she has such a big heart, and saying, I want to bring in more fascia into my yoga teaching. And I remember she was saying, I wouldn't do this fascia stuff. And now she is one of my most she loves my membership and loves the practices and uses this in her classes. She still teaches. Um, and so the yoga community, I thought, and it's us doing this othering. This is so interesting, isn't it? We look at them and look at the community we're in, and we realize I want to do it differently. And there is a fear, and that is maybe also my astrology and my nature of not belonging, of um getting uh being an outcast and being uh kicked out of a community. And uh the voice though, sharing fascia and sharing something that I embodied and I truly thought is super, super important to teach and share was stronger. And so I stepped out of the this um fear bubble and taught it and realized nobody uh puts me on a pile of wood and burns me. Like you know, and more people are how mine than they're upset about it. Yeah, absolutely, and there's another community out there who needs this more than maybe the traditional traditionalist yoga practitioners who may still uh criticize me, and I'm still in the same situation now being a bodyworker for or a teacher, an educator, and seeing these schools from which I learned so much and I deeply, deeply respect, and having my own lens, it's maybe also my creative nature to say, and I know other things than that, and they fit in this system so beautifully and making it um my own in my uh membership uh movement. So yeah, I'm safe. But that you need a reminder and in your mastermind, and I feel like I have this imprint now, when I this fear is coming up, I still can lean back into this six months' experience knowing that this is normal to feel that way. It's very it's common, and and there are ways to think differently and to get out of this um thinking pattern of these spirals you get into, the journaling prompts you gave us. And I started doing them naturally in my head. So it becomes a self self-talk to keep keep you moving, so which is so so helpful. I've yeah, I must say, I feel still so I've grown so much in those six months, and it's because I it was so constant. We the weekly either voxer and then we had the um the calls, constantly being in conversation with you and being not afraid to, I was so not afraid to really share with you the shameful in my head, in my perspective, uh shameful thoughts and fears, and being met with so much um uh yeah, big heart and listening ears and understanding, and the ability to help me to reframe this and to put it into perspective is it's carrying me still. Like it's it's it's unbelievable how how this yeah. Sorry, I'm pitching now your mastermind, but I'm just saying that you're not so good. This is part of my journey. This is a big part of my journey, but just know.

Sarah Mac: 19:48

And you did, you really threw yourself into the work, not just the the messaging work, but also the money mindset work. And this is why, you know, I always preach that it's so important to do those two pieces because no matter who you are, no matter your background, we're always going to project our fears onto somebody that we're afraid of criticizing us, rejecting us for. Yeah, you know, especially the people that I attract, and you know, we're gonna talk a little bit about astrology, but you being in Aquarius rising and you know, my um, my brand planet is in Aquarius. So I attract trailblazers, I attract creative rebels, people who are, you know, I always use the um analogy of like you're in with the machete, bushwhanging a trail. You're not taking a trail that someone else has trodden before you. And so when we're reinventing things and we're bringing, you know, some new solutions from different areas of expertise, yeah, there's always gonna be people. We always have those stories of someone who's told us no, or someone who said that's not a good idea. You shouldn't do that. That leads to some type of internal narrative that, like, maybe I'm not good enough, or I'm gonna be rejected, or I'm gonna have to deal with uncomfortable shit. Like, that's gonna, you know, propel me out from the tribe, which is just our lizard brain, trying to keep us safe, right? Like tall poppy syndrome. Don't upset anyone, just stay in the status quo. And, you know, to be an entrepreneur, to bring these new solutions that, you know, we're really driven and passionate about, and to really trust that drive and that passion that it's leading not only us, but our community somewhere really important and new. We have to deal with that voice and those, you know, however they manifest for us, whoever we're projecting them on, whatever stories that feel so real that make it feel unsafe for us to trust our creative genius and our brilliance. And I always think it's just so helpful to hear from other people that this is just a normal part of the experience. And yeah, like we have to have tools to constantly deal with that when it comes to being visible for the things that are really unique to us, which brings me to astrology. Um, because obviously, you know, it is such a helpful tool to remind us like what is unique about me? What are the strengths that I bring? What is my mission that I am here to create in this life and in my work and in my career and to be known for and to be paid for? And I I love hearing you talk about it because obviously, with your science background, I know you were really skeptical about it. And then you joined my Cosmic Copy Mastermind, which is all about astrology and um and like brand messaging. So tell me about that transition, about how, you know, like what was it like being skeptical to kind of like feeling testing the waters and then getting really into um using astrology as a tool?

Alexa Nehter: 22:39

I think it started first with trusting you. So with building uh the built trust that you have built through social media, the messaging, the relatability, where I found myself listening to you, found myself, wow, this is me. And um and then I started uh to, and with that trust, I stepped into it and I started dabbling and I had no idea of astrology or not much, and uh got your recommendations, got your reading, which was so eye-opening, and I kept on trusting. I obviously also went into a rabbit hole and thinking, okay, how research bases. I'm also remembering fascia work, you know, acupuncture, and all these like there are things that work and that we haven't yet researched. haven't had the tools to prove. And uh so that's there's like an in me obviously also something that says keep your mind open and go with that and um trust. And there's for me the evidence was experiential. So it came with getting it it's almost like the fashion it's like a lens for me. I use it now I heard you talking about okay who am I in terms of constellation and and there was so much looking back is yeah of course that's what I'm doing. Yes yes yeah yeah that's that's me and I obviously then looked at what if I just bring a different date of birth into my calendar and reread this again with the same lens. Obviously it doesn't work because it's it is not me. And um I love continuing I test of course and uh what it really gave me it's trusting that path and trusting my my intuition in a way more saying this is what I'm meant to be doing. And and that permission of saying I meant to be doing this already gave me almost like a float for the moments where the you know the the waters were really wobbly or I didn't know where it's gonna go or shall I do it or not. And it gave me this float that continuously went forward. And that that felt so incredibly helpful and it worked. The evidence was there. I mean in these six months I had several launches of the membership I launched uh a Fasha Clarity coaching which filled up immediately I I made way more money than I have ever made before monthly in my business and weaving back to the money part I think not knowing your money mindset and the very um accessible and natural and holistic way how you teach it it it it lets you your feet dangling when you do your work. I felt like this basis of the money work guided me through and you always brought it back in to during the the mastermind guide me through to have almost a map that I can refer to and say this is where I'm at at the moment and this is where I want to go. And it was really helpful so also for my nervous system not feeling shame about numbers or numbers of members numbers of you know financial numbers and seeing them as an evident evidence point where you are at and where you can move on towards and it was very successful like it it worked the astrology worked the money mindset worked yeah thank you so there's the evidence for articulating that because I I that I really do feel that is the most valuable thing about using astrology as a tool as an entrepreneur is it just you know it's like we're talking about for our brand messaging is that mirror and it's a it's a mirror that we can always plug into that's always going to reflect back to us our intuitive nudges.

Sarah Mac: 26:39

The things that we we're already feeling that we already know about ourselves but yeah like the mindset stuff can creep in the fear, the doubt, the you know the questioning the comparison all of that noise that we do constantly get wrapped up in online when you're an entrepreneur. And so just that constant affirmation and reaffirmation this is who I am. These are my gifts these are my strengths this is what I'm here to do that really, you know, that self-trust leads to follow through that leads to results where we might overcomplicate where we might get lost trying to duplicate the way that somebody else does it or you know we're listening to those other voices of like maybe you shouldn't do it the way that you think you should do it and really adjusting our own intuition to guide us, which, you know, especially when it comes to online branding like then we trust our stories then we stand out more to the right clients then sales becomes easier. We can charge higher ticket you know all of these things become a byproduct of that connection to yourself of that deeply knowing yourself and constantly anchoring back into who am I? What am I here to do? And really bringing that unique message and mission out with confidence and with consistency. So thank you for for sharing that and naming that um okay obviously I could talk to you for a million hours um because I think you're amazing and um thank you so much for everything that you've shared. Obviously as someone who has worked with me for anyone who is considering it like what would you say to them?

Alexa Nehter: 28:12

Also working with Sarah trust your intuition when you listen to Sarah's story you know she has gone through a lot highly recommend also to read her book um where you learn about her story and that alone um gives you the permission to be totally yourself working with a coach, a mentor and I think that prevents you to going astray moving onward in you know trying to be someone else or moving with it with the reflection that others project onto you but rather going your own path and your health you've you you actually you also get get always a few good nudges because Sarah has the strong ability to see you and really takes her time to um reflect on you on your path there is a a um deep questionnaire at the beginning of your journey for example where the questions are so deep where you try begin to she begins to understand you and you're not getting away with bullshit with you know Sarah knows you after a while and she she gently nudges you always back into the right direction which I found found super super helpful. Yeah I can only um recommend working with you just uh evidently I am in a place where I I I could not be at without your your help and it doesn't feel like that someone pushed into somewhere or that it felt I feel like I I have overdone things or something. It felt really I'm I'm in the right place now. And uh I almost feel like I'm sounding really cheesy because I'm a big believer in in your work and I'm so glad I I took the time and energy and investment in working with you because I feel at home in my business, in my journey also sometimes it gets rocky and that is part of the journey but I always can lean back onto this six month experience of where I learned so much and became also more of myself. So yeah that's all I can say.

Sarah Mac: 30:30

Thank you so much. I appreciate that and yeah obviously you've been an absolute dream client to work with and you know just reflecting on your own journey and the reason why you are so successful and such a trailblazer and have obviously succeeded at reinventing yourself and creating your own methodology and really you know establishing yourself within industries but in your own really unique way it's you know it's because of your your like true dedication and passion. And I think like that only comes when you really dedicate yourself to your true passion, you know, and you you don't settle and even though it can feel really difficult to be that trailblazer, you know it's obvious that you've you've just like you've always brought in the support that you need to really keep going and to build in the way that's gonna work for you and you really go all in at everything that you're doing and you have so much commitment, so much passion and generosity and yeah like you're a true inspiration and it's been such an honor to support you and and I'm always inspired by you and your work and um yeah I definitely think I definitely think there's also like the fact that you're so you've built this diligence around your physical practice I think that's just like such an incredible foundation for entrepreneurship, you know, because I always bring the um the comparison between entrepreneurship and athleticism and you know whether or not you are physically an athlete because obviously I've been through a lot of health issues and I know a lot of people who are attracted to me are because like I was in five years of chronic fatigue when I you know started my business. So I've definitely built my business in like a non-physically challenging way in that you know it's very adaptable to be able to prioritize my physical needs. But when it comes to like emotional wellbeing, spiritual dedication, like we are athletes as entrepreneurs and really always having to choose to cultivate our vision and our mission and to believe in where we're going and to connect to our passion for service and for impacting and creating solutions through our business because it's really relentless, you know, as I imagine it is for a professional athlete. It's like yeah you there's gonna be days when you have pain but like you have to adapt but keeping that your physical health at the center is um yeah I think whenever I'm trying to go reach higher in my business the number one thing I address is my physical health and wellbeing and I'm like how can I build more strength? How can I build more vitality? How can I heal what I need to heal so yeah I think you know like fascia and entrepreneurship is just like such an amazing part you know like collaboration and interesting length to like look at one through the other. So yeah I high I highly recommend going to check out Alexa's work and her membership and her practices are really they're interesting and they're different to anything that you've ever done before but they're very accessible and they're really really powerful and they work on a really deep level without you know being super crazy and like overextending yourself. So can you tell everyone who's interested in learning more about you and your work like where can they find you and what have you got going on at the moment?

Alexa Nehter: 33:46

Yes um first of all I want to say all what I've built also within that time and that I learned also and helped me a lot is whilst being a part-time solo parent. And that's why I also appreciate your work so much. So I did all this and I continue doing this. There's more to come and I it's so amazing to do this calmly and safely and feeling like I'm not chasing the carrot whilst having time with my son, whilst really enjoying the time and not making him the fifth wheel on the wagon but actually he's the center and the why of what I'm doing and um having this in in both my passion for my work and my son and obviously my partner who's um half of the market it's it's such a gift. So yeah just wanted to to say this um thank you evidence can be done it can be done yeah yeah and it can be done slowly too but it's thoroughly and it's with heart and I'm not burned out and I have time I learn to hire people with you too which is fantastic and not feeling guilty um of hiring and outsourcing things. It's yeah I think that's it's it's super important and it doesn't have to be you know you don't have to shoot for the star within within your one year it's you can do it slowly and prioritize what's also important in your life and that feeds your business as well as much as it does your your physical health. And you can find me and helix movement fascia focused movement that helps you to embody yourself and um also work on your posture and for women very important pelvic floor health and calm strength so nothing is really hectic and nervous system balancing and revitalizing practices you can find that at helixmovement.com that is helix h e l i x and movement all in one word dot com and there you find my membership and soon I will the website will also change where you find my coaching offer for practitioners. So there are yoga teachers, Pilates teachers, osteopaths physios who work with me who want to bring in more fascia work into their work and they utilize this fascia clarity coaching intensive with me. And uh yeah and I also have a monthly free class on YouTube if you want to try it out you find this under youtube.com slash helix movement and uh yeah that's where you find me and can move with me and embody yourself and stay healthy and vital and uh ready for business. And uh is your Instagram linked from your website? Uh yes it's yep and I it's uh Alexa so at Alexa Nita A L E X A N E H T E R and at Helix Movement.

Sarah Mac: 36:41

Yeah Alexa's very active on Instagram too so definitely go connect with her over there. And uh thank you so much Alexa for coming and for sharing everything all of your wisdom all of your kind words about our work together I deeply deeply appreciate that and thank you everybody for listening. If you know anyone who would be really into this episode please share it with them. And thank you so much for watching and listening and we'll see you next week. Bye bye