Desire-Led Branding: Sustainable, Soulful Brand Strategy with Isabel Bagsik

What does having a spiritually-rooted, authentic online brand that puts your wellness at the heart of it actually look like?

You’re about to find out in an exciting interview with Isabel Bagsik, Soulful Brand Designer and Creative Wellness Guide, and past client of mine.

On this week’s episode of the Creative Magic Club podcast you'll get the inside scoop on how she developed her unique offerings merging her extensive background in brand design (with clients like Michelle Obama on her resume!) with her life-changing wellness tools.

Discover:

·      The importance and magic of following your desire in business

·      How to avoid burnout while building sustainable authentic brands

·      How Isabel incorporated wellness and self-care practices into brand strategy to develop her own unique methodology and VIP days.

·      How her inspiration to support marginalized communities to gain access to wellness practices inspired her strategies.

·      How to make aligned choices so you’re proud of the way you’re represented online.

·      The importance of making choices that turn people OFF so you can turn on YOUR people

·      How to stop getting stuck around your logo + what to focus on that’s SO much more important

·      Creating a cohesive brand identity and strategy thats focused on making sales and impact

·     How to find a North Star that guides the decisions that feels right to you

 And SO much more… if you’re yearning to express yourself authentically through your online brand in simple yet potent ways that instantly elevate your impact and income this is for you! 

Isabel's work https://unconventionalbliss.com/

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Chapters

• 0:12 Creative Entrepreneurship and Soulful Branding
• 9:44 Navigating Cultural Expectations and Personal Wellness
• 13:42 Integrating Wellness Into Brand Strategy
• 22:09 Embracing Authentic Branding Choices

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:12

What's up, this is Sarah Mack, and welcome to Creative Magic Club. Together, we'll discover inspirational stories of creative entrepreneurs living out their dreams, doing the work they are most passionate about, and building wealth in magical and fun ways, while building a six-figure income. As a writer and coach, helping other women to launch their dream businesses, I've connected with so many incredible people and seen it proven again and again that you can thrive financially doing whatever it is you are passionate about. I am here to share life-changing strategies for mindset, making money and reaching more people with your work in a business and life filled with creativity, freedom and fun. Hi, everyone, welcome. I'm so excited to introduce my special guest today.

Speaker 1: 1:03

We have with us Isabel Bagsick. She is a soulful brand designer and creative wellness guide. She helps compassionate entrepreneurs, wellness practitioners, magical founders and revolutionary leaders like you to amplify your work and get paid for your culture-shifting visions. She designs authentic and attention-grabbing brand assets for your website and social media and helps you to prioritize the strategies that bring your creative visions to life, while honoring your creative well-being in the process. Isabel's unique methodology incorporates creative rituals, rest practices and original personalized design strategy. She spent 10 years designing for high profile businesses like Google and Target, and organizations like CAIR, lead Filipino and the University of California Davis, and changemakers like Stephen Curry and Michelle Obama. Hi, isabel, thank you so much for joining us.

Speaker 2: 1:54

Hello, I'm so excited to chat with you and be here.

Speaker 1: 1:58

I'm so excited. So Isabel is a previous client of mine, so I know her work really well. She's really magical and amazing and I have loved, you know, watching her develop these really unique offers and incorporating her wellness practices with her extensive background in brand design and brand strategy, and so I'm really excited for you to get to know her and to dive into some of her magic. So, before we do, why don't you tell us a little bit of your origin story, like how did you end up doing this work that you do today?

Speaker 2: 2:31

Yes, so I have a culmination of different experiences that came together that guided me to where I am today. But one of the biggest catalysts for starting my own business was actually getting laid off from my job, and what was so amazing was I was doing a lot of internal work. I also had a savings that I was just, you know, growing for whatever might come up, and in that moment when I was being told that I was essentially losing my job, I actually felt this send, this really visceral feeling of excitement and lightness and freedom, like the universe saying okay, girl, start your own damn thing, it's time. So that I would say that would be the biggest catalyst. But ever since I was young, I was always creative. I was always drawn to arts and crafts, getting my hands doing things, and it wasn't until I was in the end of my high school. My last year in high school where I had to start deciding what colleges to apply to, was when I started seriously thinking about my career, my career and the time when I was young. And then, in between that and then high school, I kind of started getting socialized out of being connected with my creativity as a serious thing and it was just a hobby and once I got to college I really started taking it more seriously. I was grateful for the opportunity but it was challenging because it was a compromise with my dad to double major in computer science. He's a software engineer.

Speaker 2: 4:09

I am the first child on both sides of my parents to go to university in America. I have immigrant parents from the Philippines, so it was a lot of firsts and it was a lot of hesitation and fears and uncertainties around what I was pursuing. But I didn't know at the time. I also had a really strong connection to my intuition. I was doing things, making decisions that seemed illogical, that seemed unsafe and was just against the norms that I was socialized in my culture, my family, even with my peers where I grew up. But I had just a strong sense that there were certain decisions that were really big. But I knew, despite all of the decisions and the voices that were saying otherwise, I knew that the scary action that I knew was right was the one that I would do, for instance, which college I would go to, which course I would study and so on over those next several years, during that time. So I would say it was a lot of this initiation of connecting with my intuition during this choice that I was making for me.

Speaker 1: 5:21

Did you have to? Did you like have fights with your parents, or did they like kind of listen to you when you kind of found that conviction within yourself?

Speaker 2: 5:31

Oh, it wasn't outright fights, I would say, but it was very charged emotions and it was really difficult my last year in high school. It was making these decisions and overthinking and just being in my head and communication is not my parents' strong suit and I had to unlearn the lack of communication and practice that and bring that into my family as I got older. And it was this courage to say no, I can't go into this business degree or this other course, this other school that I was accepted into, and have to say really courageously what I desired instead, even though it seemed like the wrong decision, quote unquote, though it seemed like the wrong decision, quote unquote. And during the time where I did have the compromise to study computer science I think it was the second quarter of my first year in college in my second computer science class ever, I couldn't, it was some other level. I just my brain could not handle the concepts or that subject.

Speaker 2: 6:48

And I think I experienced my first panic attack in a material review session and all these things that I just didn't understand around mental health.

Speaker 2: 6:58

And my parents were about to visit me and I was playing over and over in my mind the night before all the scenarios of what would happen, that I would tell them that I can't do this anymore.

Speaker 2: 7:09

And when I and I couldn't sleep and when I, eventually, it was um at the end of the night, they were about to go back home and I had the courage to say, to say my truth, and I was so scared and I was crying and as the first child of immigrant parents I did not cry much or cry in front of anyone, so that really scared them, I think, to see me crying in front of them. And what was so amazing and I'm so grateful for was that my dad said that I want you to be happy as long as you work hard on whatever you do. I just want you to be happy. And that was such a relief. I had no idea that would ever be the scenario that would happen and that was a mantra that would stay in my mind those next four years to take that career that I was aspiring to go into so seriously. So that really was the big kind of starting point in my early design career.

Speaker 1: 9:44

Thank you for sharing this story. I love these moments. It's like giving me a flashback to my version of that story, of the conversation around college with my mom that I write about in my book and I think, you know, it's like these become core memories that kind of create the way that we approach things and like what we believe in. And either they you know, and I think for a lot of us, like I'm similar to you where it's like know, I took it as well if I'm not gonna have the blessing of the people around me to pursue my creativity, or if other people don't believe that I can make it doing creative things, then that just kind of put me in the mindset of okay, well, I'll figure this out by myself, you know which. Then obviously I had to unpack later on and be like no, like you're not going to do this by yourself. You are going to be able to create support around you. We all need support. It's just going to look different from what, you know, we all wish.

Speaker 1: 10:36

Our parents would just like make life easy for us and like give up, give them our blessings and, you know, support us to be who we are.

Speaker 1: 10:45

But it's those moments where, yeah, yeah, like builds our character and I'm sure you probably worked harder because of that conversation with your dad and, yeah, I know it takes it takes so much courage to do that especially. I know like like this is an overgeneralization, but, like Western cultures and Eastern cultures, like Western parents care way less about like what their children do, and you that you know it's like you don't care about me, but I know, alternatively, like too much care can also bring like a whole other realm of like pressure that you feel in making these big life choices. And yeah, especially I know, when you have like you've come to America and been through your parents, have been through immigration, and there's all this other pressure of like, well, you have all these opportunities that your parents gave you and you want to be grateful for that and honor that. But also like, yeah, do your own thing and I think it's such a, it's a. I think that's a testament to creative people like the biggest blessing that we have is that connection to our intuition and yes we.

Speaker 1: 11:44

It's almost like an incapacity to do things that aren't in alignment for us. You know, like the panic attack in computer technology is like our bodies outright refuse to do the things that we're not meant to do, which, yeah, can be very challenging, but it's also ultimately a blessing when we learn to listen to that. So I'm really curious, because obviously you went on to study design, you've had all this incredible corporate experience in working for big companies and you know building those, those, um, those skills around brand strategy and how did you start to kind of develop your wellness practices? And you know, like those skill sets that you have like so beautifully brought into your business, like how did, how did that come about?

Speaker 2: 12:32

Yeah, so I was really involved with the Filipinx American community on campus in college and there was so much burnout that was happening as I continued to stay involved in those next four years, eventually becoming co-president of one of the organizations my last year, and there was a lot of this and I look back on it, laughing with some of my friends from that time where we would shout at each other as a goodbye like, okay, take care of yourself, self-care, self-care. And we weren't practicing that. We didn't know what that meant, and so it's something that I kept in mind, especially after graduating and exploring different modalities like yoga and meditation and taking some classes. There was a yoga studio near my home that I started going to, and I think one of the early memories that I have on really diving deep into my wellness practice was in one of my internships for design. I had so much time it was like very light work, so I had so much time for my brain that I wanted.

Speaker 2: 13:47

I needed my brain stimulated, so I was listening to a lot of podcasts, and one of those podcasts that really was so transformative and pivotal for me was one called Black Girl in OM, led by Lauren Ash at the time and it was such a beautiful resource around wellness for Black women and women of color and kind of disrupting the wellness industry and talking about spirituality and all these incredible ways around that conversation that really resonated with me and that just opened up other resources and avenues around wellness. That kind of blended in my passion for community, for awareness around cultural identity and supporting marginalized communities and the issues that they face or even like the challenges and blocks that they have even accessing wellness, and that just continued to different local events that I would come across around this same thing. The same conversation that continued to inspire and inform the different passion projects or community events that I would even host and facilitate as well, going into opening up those doors of other people, other creatives, other practitioners locally and across the world.

Speaker 1: 15:09

I love that. So it's been a few months since we worked together, but during that time, you know, we were really looking at bringing these two skill sets of yours together and some really incredible offers. So I'm curious on an update like because I know you know, even with like one client, your process can like very drastically evolve and you can get all these new ideas. So like, where are you now with integrating wellness into like branding and brand strategy with your clients? How's that been going for you, that process of just kind of you know, allowing it to unfold and really like innovating in that way?

Speaker 2: 15:53

it to unfold and really like innovating in that way. Yes, so I have been so lovingly affirmed by all the things that I would offer, whether it's workshops or a free challenge or even private clients, and just some things that I would hear would be just gratefulness around the foundations of starting sessions or work or projects with mindfulness or with the intuitive branding rituals that we would start off with so that it could help with grounding, that, it could help with connecting with their intuition, with getting clear on their true perspectives and voice and stories, instead of getting bogged down by all the should haves or the templates or the things that they think that they needed. I remember one client session where she said, oh, I didn't prepare my materials and this Google Drive that I could share with you, and I'm like, let's pause, let's chill out. We actually don't need all of that right now and what we really need is already within you. And we did some practices together and she shared, she followed up and she really appreciated that and we came up with really wonderful ideas and ways to refresh her branding.

Speaker 2: 17:07

She was doing a whole overhaul for her website and brand identity and social templates that we were putting together for her, and it was so incredible to hear, for example, the meditation, what visions that she came up with and how it resonated with her so strongly and tied in with the mood board that she created. So, yeah, just really excited for diving deeper into that of this blend. I just graduated and got my certification for mindfulness and meditation teacher, so I'm excited to continue diving deeper into my personal practice and seeing how that continues to inform and inspire my work in the new year. But, yeah, I think, more spaces for connecting with the body, for reminding others of their sovereignty, of their agency, because we can get often bogged down by external voices and all these things of how we're supposed to show up in business and whatnot. But how do we also create that?

Speaker 1: 18:09

What I'm interested in is creating that space for us to listen to our intuition yeah, I love this conversation so much, particularly around branding, because you know, and I think back to when I was like first building my business and I think I've always kind of been drawn intuitively like I love color for those of you who follow me like, you're probably fully aware of this how I dress, but so that's one thing that I've like always had a strong reaction to you and I think that's been enough to kind of lead me to make a lot of just like intuitively led design choices. Even though I don't have a background in graphic design, I'm like I really am not good at that side of things. I can, you know, I can figure out a thing on Canva. I don't really enjoy doing it, but definitely when I've come to being like okay, sarah, you need, you should. Right, I should cross out of the woodwork of like like okay, sarah, you need, you should, right, I should cross out of the woodwork of like, oh, you're going to the next level, you should change this, or you should. You know it's like new things need to happen, you need to get more of a refresh, okay, so what decisions are we making? And then, naturally, we look externally for okay, who's succeeding Like, who's at the next level. Who do I admire? What are they doing? You, you know how can I learn from them?

Speaker 1: 19:19

And especially with design, I feel like there's all these kind of like unspoken rules about like what's better, you know, like the what. You don't want everything to be white, like that was a kind of a phase, or you want everything. You just hear these kind of preferences that I don't know, like the design gods have, you know, cast upon all of us and, and you know, there's so many little micro decisions to make, like fonts and stuff like that, where, when you don't have that visual training, I'm like I don't know how well, how do I choose a font? They all look the same to me, you know. But actually doing that work to be embodied in really connecting to your values, what you want to represent, what you want to communicate, like who you're talking to, you know who you are really, especially when you're a personal brand, because so many of those decisions do stem from our unique identities. So it's such a beautiful process to use that branding process to really reflect and connect to yourself, to be really intentional around how you want to be represented, and I think you know, especially in this age that we're in, there's people like you and I and who are in this community and we're we're creating new identities that haven't been seen before.

Speaker 1: 20:33

You know, it's like I just brought the word witch more into my branding vocabulary and I had a lot of resistance around that in the past, cause, like I don't know, have you seen Roald Dahl's film the Witches? No, I haven't. It's really creepy. So Roald Dahl I think he's British but it's kind of like twisted dark, like creepy children's stories and the movie is like terrifying. Like it's a children's movie, but my brother was like having nightmares about it.

Speaker 1: 20:59

We watched it when we were young and so we always used to like tease each other and pretend that we were like the witches. Like they had, you know, like bald heads and they all wore wigs and they like turned children into little rats and things like that, and like my brother would always call me a witch as an insult. And like witches really have had a bad rap, obviously, like they were all burned at the stake for centuries. You know, like women have been punished for our magic for a long time and there's, you know, parts of our DNA that remember that. But you know I've associated it with like the witches on a broomstick and like a black cape and a dark hat and like a long green nose with like a wart on it, and I'm like, no, but it's, it's a word that speaks to our magic and I'm I'm not like I used to dress like a goth and a punk when I was younger, but I'm very different in my style now and I'm like, yeah, like I get to recreate a version of what like a magical witch is, and I'm developing that identity for myself and I don't maybe necessarily have a clear vision, but just allowing myself to lead with what feels right for me, lead with what is expansive and creatively inspiring to me, and making those choices in my branding and already I can see people are responding to that.

Speaker 1: 22:09

You know they're like, oh, I love your new like witchy stuff that you're like embracing or like. This is really speaking to me and I had a whole conversation with my branding coach about it. Like you know, will this turn some people off? And it's like, yeah, when we make those choices, it is going to turn some people off, but it's going to turn your people on even more and like that's the purpose of making these, you know these choices, which is really what branding is. It's like a billion different choices that communicate information about you.

Speaker 1: 22:37

So I think it's such a cool. It's such a cool experience, you know, to be helping people build out their identities and how they want to be represented, and especially as like women and you know more marginalized groups that haven't necessarily been visually represented in the ways that feel authentic or feel inspiring to us. So I really love that you're, you know, bringing these very embodiment focused practices into this conversation, because it's so much more about the color, it's so much more than the font. So I'm curious, like what are some common things that you see people sort of getting stuck around or coming up against, that you wish people kind of had a different perspective on that, or you have some words that would make things easier for people when they are making those decisions.

Speaker 2: 23:29

Yes. So I loved all that you brought up, and one of the things that is coming to mind with this question is the logo. You are not your logo. I see a lot on threads of people asking about are there any logo designers out there and I don't deep dive into each person's account, but if you're new in your business or you're refreshing your branding, I would put the last priority, because there's so much more to your business than just the logo.

Speaker 2: 24:00

Once you have a logo but you don't have other parts of your business and branding that aren't cohesive or feel true to you or clear, then that is just not going to be working for you. It's not going to. You're going to have a pretty logo, but other than that, is it going to make much difference of attracting in clients or letting people know who you are, your values, what you do? Probably not, and so that's something that I want to name. You know, don't worry about your logo yet, and I haven't even done that yet. Mine is simply my brand font that just spells out my brand Unconventional Bliss, and that's it. Maybe one day I want to illustrate it, but for now I'm good because there are other parts of my business that I want to play with and focus on, and what you can focus on when it comes to, let's say, the visual brand identity itself, is your fonts and colors and have that cohesive Oftentimes that.

Speaker 2: 25:02

I've had a couple of you know sessions with folks and one I noticed that they had a bunch of colors that they had in their brand color palette and were playing around with quite a handful of fonts and the color palette that they had that they were working with. I'm like, okay, I know that we need to cut down on this, because there are some that are too close to even you know that we don't need each shade, each little hue of the same color. So how can you simplify this? Buy this for you and maybe, if you are new to this, starting out with maybe around like five colors let's say no more than 10. 10 is way too much. I would say let's start with a foundation of five and then with fonts. I would say you know having two to three, one for sure that is legible when it is in a longer paragraph, so you know not having that in script or cursive, and then you can have a stylized one that could be for your headers and titles. But those are some foundational suggestions that I always share.

Speaker 2: 26:15

For those who are brand new to the branding world or who are uncertain of where to start.

Speaker 2: 26:21

Those are typically what I see as the common things that people are struggling with or have challenges with, or have too many things that they're testing out, and because of that, I often hear the issue of changing their fonts and taking hours to pick a font and then changing it again in the next month or so, and so all of those hours wasted on picking a font that you're going to change anyway could have been to actually selling your offerings, could have been to connecting with your community or to having a session with a client so that these are some things that you know are common that how do you save time for yourself?

Speaker 2: 27:08

Again, thinking about what are the main things that you can focus on on your branding, and then having the courage, the energetic space, having the courage of actually sharing it with people and be visible and be seen, because otherwise people won't be able to find you if you're not actually showing up, connecting with people, talking about your work. And one last thing around that is because some folks are still unclear with their branding or it's not cohesive or they're not sure about where they're at. There's this lack of confidence around talking about the work because they don't feel proud about their branding and so getting clear about what is it that you want to convey to your audience, or who do you want to connect with and having that be kind of that North Star to guide you on how you want to represent your work in the digital realm?

Speaker 1: 28:04

Yeah, I love this conversation and these insights that you shared, because I've definitely, you know, been of the mind in the past of like, oh, you know, it's not super important to have a website, or it's not super important to have fancy branding or for everything to be beautiful, and because I've seen many examples of entrepreneurs who are literally like making seven figures and all of their stuff is hosted on a Google Doc, you know, with like no branding. So you know, there's a spectrum, right, you can keep it really simple, and I think the message that we want to take from this end of the spectrum is stay focused on what matters most, which is you sharing your work, you having conversations with people, you connecting with clients, you making an impact. However, I think personally, especially when you're a personal brand, the thing that matters most about your branding, like you said, is that you feel good sharing it and recognizing that, like, everyone feels slightly different when it comes to their visual representation. Like, obviously, there are some people who, like literally don't care about that, and so they can build a successful business without necessarily caring or putting effort into that. But if you know, you're someone who values visual beauty, right, and we can look in people's astrology charts to find out how important this is for different people. But you know for yourself, right? And we can look in people's astrology charts to find out how important this is for different people. But you know for yourself, right?

Speaker 1: 29:32

Like you said, if you're feeling embarrassed to share something or you feel something isn't good enough, I think there's definitely a fine line with like. Don't be comparing yourself with like super successful, well established brands. You probably have marketing budgets and branding budgets of like squ of dollars but also knowing like, what are those moves that you can make, what are the most important things that you can do, so you're not like wasting a ton of time, wasting a ton of energy on things that aren't necessarily moving the needle for you but that give you something that represents you in a way that makes you feel good about it, like. I genuinely believe that, especially for for like, especially for women, and like people who are stepping into business, doing our soul work, doing things that we really care about, that are really meaningful for us, that we're kind of sensitive around potentially being judged or rejected around, like having that asset online, that beautiful you know social media graphic, or like photo for your profile picture or that website page, no matter how simple and no matter how you know skilled you are, no matter how much budget you have, to be able to start to create something like that. If it makes it feel more real for you and it creates more embodiment in your own work.

Speaker 1: 30:51

Like that is the true value of this work to me when you feel excited to go out and be more visible and to share it, like making choices that get you to feel that feeling that's the highest priority and and that can be achieved relatively simply, you know, know, and I think, obviously having guidance of someone who knows how to point you in the direction of what it is that you need for the particular phase of business that you're in. Um, but yeah, so it's like it. It is important. It's not everything, but knowing where you fall on that spectrum is really, really important, and making sure it's not from a place of comparison and perfectionism, but more what makes me feel really proud to go out there and to be visible and to shine my light and to share my work with people yeah, exactly, I totally love what you're naming there and even I, working with you, had a sales page on a Google Doc and I had clients through that and I love what you're saying.

Speaker 2: 31:52

And I've noticed this to those who have really simple branding or doesn't have the shiny fancy branding, that's also their brand, their notes app and that's their post right on their instagram.

Speaker 2: 32:06

that's a carousel and thinking about okay, is your brand cohesive? Are you do? Are you the person who does the screenshots of their notes app and then just post it and that is a recognizable brand? And so, thinking about the cohesion, too, of whatever spectrum of of degrees of um of design and how dynamic it is, or simple, is it cohesive in all areas where you show up? And that also creates that sense of safety that you can trust, like, okay, that's them, that I can recognize them and I know that that's how they show up, and it creates this sense of connection and recognition too. So I love. I love what you're naming too.

Speaker 1: 32:50

Yeah, I love that and it's so true. It's like you're communicating. You know you are communicating, whether you're doing it with intention or not. So it's about really taking that step back and having that outsider's perspective and being like how is this landing with people? You know, like, what am I communicating? Am I communicating to the people that I want to be communicating to? Are they getting the message? Because, yeah, it's so hard. You know, we're so close to our own work and our mission and our vision that it's it's so important to have creative collaborators in this journey, to be able to pull out those aspects of your story, of your personality, of your energy, and to be able to make sure that that message is loud and is cutting through the noise and is getting to the people that you want to reach. So I love this conversation. We could talk about it all day. You're amazing. Thank you so much for sharing all of your wisdom with us. And tell people, like, what have you got going on? Where can they find out more about your work with us?

Speaker 2: 33:48

and tell people like what have you got going on? Where can they find out more about your work? Yes, well, thank you again for having me and just so grateful that we've worked together. It truly did make so much of a difference in my business of getting clear in my copywriting and clear with my messaging too, and helping with my branding, thinking about my branding in that way. So really appreciate your, your gifts and you bringing your magical self even more to your work. So thank you.

Speaker 1: 34:14

Oh, thank you.

Speaker 2: 34:16

Yeah, and for those listening, I am Isabelle Bixic. Once again, I'm a Filipino-American soulful brand designer and creative wellness guide, and if any of this resonated or you're curious, feel free to connect with me on Instagram. And if any of this resonated or you're curious, feel free to connect with me on Instagram. And if you are curious to learn more about these branding rituals that I have guided folks through, I do have a free three-day email series called Intuitive Brand Refresh, which I actually did work with Sarah on to put together and it was so amazing when I did the live version. So these intuitive branding rituals you get the ritual and the prompts delivered straight to your inbox, one a day, and really helping you elevate your online branding and connect with your sole clients and community amazing.

Speaker 1: 35:02

Yeah, I know you were super successful with that. Obviously people can't get enough of your amazing work and your website and handle is unconventional. Bliss, yes, awesome. Just want to make sure we speak that out for people who are?

Speaker 1: 35:14

too lazy to look for links. Thank you so much. This has been so great. Thank you everybody for being here. Please share this episode far and wide, um especially with people who you know can benefit from it, and we will see you next week. Thank you so much for being here, isabel. Bye everyone. For more inspirational content, head over to my website with Sarah maccom, and please support the show by liking, commenting and subscribing.